THERE ARE MANY VALID REASONS TO BE AGAINST FEMINISM (THE SPECIFIC GENDER EQUALITY MOVEMENT) WHILE STILL WANTING GENDER EQUALITY.
FEMINISM DOES NOT HAVE THE MONOPOLY ON GENDER EQUALITY.
YOU CAN BE PRO-EQUALITY WITHOUT BEING A FEMINIST
Except feminism does advocate for men as well. When you see transgender men being ridiculed, it isn’t men who get mad and want to change it, it’s feminists. When men with disabilities are being paid less than their abled coworkers, you don’t see Men’s Rights Activists rushing to combat it, it’s feminists. When unarmed men of color are being shot down by police, do you hear from MRAs? No. You hear from feminists.
Also, from Merriam- Webster:
: the theory of the political, economic, and social equality of the sexes
To be honest, I see more feminists saying ‘transwomen are not actually women’ than I do protecting transmen. I am not saying that no feminists help transmen. But it is just another indicator of the hypocrisy in the movement.
And I am not sure why you are rushing to slag of MRAs all of a sudden. What has the MRM got to do with this conversation?
Oh, and actually I do hear MRAs talking about those things. They just do it without the MRA banner on and without trying to claim that the MRM is a fix-all for every problem in society. Yes, I hear plenty of MRAs talking on those issues. I hear them talking about them as people without feeling the need to try and claim those issues for their movement or use them to score points for their cause.
As I said in my other post feminism must be judged by its actions and its members and not by some idealistic view of what it might be. I also explained in the post I linked to why I think feminism actually makes matters worse for men.
For sure there are some feminists who fight for men’s issues alongside women’s issues. But that is not the focus of the movement - even the latest feminist campaign, HeforShe, proves this. It is nothing more than a call for men to fight for women’s rights. Yes there were mentions of men’s issues in Emma Watson’s speech, and that was welcomed. But it is not the focus, or even the shared focus of the campaign.
1) If a “Feminist” does not fight for the rights of transfolk, they are not a true feminist.
2) The Mens Right’s Movement has everything to do with it because people seem to believe it is the counter for feminism when it isn’t. It is not a movement for men.
3) I never claimed feminism was a fix-all, but if you’re following basic principles- that everyone, regardless of race, sex, gender, religion, anything deserves equal rights and equal representation- there is no substantial argument that could paint that as being a bad thing. There will always be extremists in every movement, that comes with the territory. But dismissing feminism because of some “bad people” you may have met is intolerant and hateful.
4) “Making matters worse for men”? Exactly how does a movement promoting equality hurt men? Besides pushing to shift the power in the world so that all kinds of people are equally represented-not just white guys.
5) I honestly don’t care about people being feminists. I only think it’s idiotic when people say that feminists are all crazy or they don’t want to be associated with feminism but they promote and get behind things associated with the feminist movement. That’s like saying I believe in God, I believe in the bible, and I believe that jesus died for me, but I’m not a Christian. Yeah it sounds like you want to be in the movement without having the “crazy feminist” label because of the poor connotation that comes with it, as you’ve pointed out.
Like it or not, women need this movement. It isn’t all about men, and most of it is geared towards women, but that’s how it has to be to get things to change for women.